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at119    Clara de Asís   ‘Do Nothing’

1   Do nothing   12:18

2   Know nothing   5:47

3   Nothing lasts I   3:35

4   Say nothing   3:31

5   Nothing lasts II   3:31

6   Be nothing   10:24

Youtube extract

Interview with Clara de Asís

Can you describe your background, and how you came to experimental music?


I have been attracted to sounds as far back as I can remember. As a child I loved inventing musical instruments out of cardboard boxes and rubber bands, and later, my favourite activity was playing whistles and flutes very softly in a secret spot of mine on the rocks by the sea – I enjoyed the sound of the waves and the fresh air. When I was around 12, I wanted to play guitar. I wanted to learn it from a very well-renowned classical guitar teacher in my hometown, but as I only had an acoustic metal-string guitar, he refused to accept me on his course. Somehow I found someone who showed me the basics of guitar playing, from a flamenco perspective – I’m from a town where the word ‘guitar’ is immediately associated with flamenco – which was a very unusual way to start on the kind of guitar that I had. These lessons only lasted a couple of years, even less. Then I just continued on my own. I consider myself an autodidact; I have never had any academic musical training. I think I have always been intuitively led by a deep-seated will which refuses to adjust to existing models, and is determined to find my own ways.

Later, I studied cinema at University. I was interested in filmmaking but soon I discovered that I enjoyed much more just watching and listening to films conscientiously - partly due to the collective and, usually, hierarchical nature of a film-making set. I was interested in directors who worked remarkably with sound on their films, such as Ingmar Bergman, who still remains my favourite at this point. During those years I acquired some skills in sound recording and editing, and started to use them to develop my music. I recorded sounds, edited and mixed them. Only later did I learn that the kind of music that I was making at that time had a name, and that it could be called “electroacoustic music”. At some point in my early twenties, I discovered concrete, EA music, with composers such as Eliane Radigue, Luc Ferrari, or Pauline Oliveros.

After getting my degree in cinema, I moved to France and studied electroacoustic music composition for a while; but I quit the course after two or three years, when I felt it was enough for me. At that time I also started working less on sound mixing and more on instrumental pieces for guitar and objects. At first they were pieces that I developed out of purely improvisational frames. I was doing mainly solo pieces, but I also worked a lot with Laura Vazquez, who is a French poet and writer, on pieces in the intersection between music and poetry. It’s still very important to me to develop an essential part of my work on my own, but I’ve also started collaborating with other musicians.

I used to graphically notate the ideas that I had come to during my work sessions. Little by little I have evolved towards the opposite process: instead of notating what I had done, notating what I could do; and I focused more and more on instrumental composition and written works.


Were the pieces on the CD conceived as a set, or is it simply an assembly of different pieces that you have recently produced?


They were conceived as a set. I spent several months working on them before recording them. When I work, it’s important to me to determine how I will physically employ the elements that I’m going to use. This disposition of the elements was the same for every piece, even if I didn’t use all the elements in all of the pieces. This might not be relevant for the music itself, but it was a means for me to think in terms of the ensemble. So, even if every piece of the album is autonomous, they are thought of in relation to the whole, and the choices that I made for every one of the pieces were determined relative to what I had chosen for the rest.

I guessed that would be the case, as the disc as a whole has a strong compositional coherence. Is that the way you usually work now, or do you play in improvising contexts as well? And if so, do you find improvisation limiting as a means of music-making, or does it bring things into your practice which are refreshing?

It’s the way I work now. To me, one of the differences between improvisation and composition is how I think about and experience time. Meaning the time within the piece itself, but also the time of my life in which I develop the piece, and how I live through that time. I believe that, as with any other activity, music is very much related to the moment, the stage of one’s life, where it is produced – be it either in a perceptibly evident or in a subtle way. There is a correspondence between one’s life and way of living and the music one makes. And when I’m developing a piece, during the process of composing it and making it, which can last months, weeks, or days, I learn things about myself; there’s a feedback between the developing piece and my own life. And that feedback leads me to make choices. Choices that set up a frame regarding a situation that goes beyond the present time. In that sense, I do find improvisation limiting as a means of music-making, because improvised music is formally circumscribed by one instant.

I can still find myself in improvising contexts as a first approach when playing with other musicians for the first time, but it has become rarer and rarer simply because I’m not as interested in it as I was some years ago. I just feel that setting up a frame is an essential condition for developing something that is coherent to me and that, at the same time, transcends me. Even if the frame can be open, it’s still a frame.

That’s very interesting. It feels to me that the ‘frame’ you set for yourself in ‘Do Nothing’ is stark and sets quite severe limits within which you have work. Do you find such harsh limits are beneficial to the creative process, or did you experience things differently in the period when you were composing the music?

It came very naturally, if I may say. I didn’t feel restricted, even if it is indeed a stark frame. I’m very interested in simplicity as a form. I tend to discard everything that is not necessary to what I’m making. It allows me to concentrate and go deep, and, above all, to listen to the sound and let it exist. The limits that the frame sets concern the materials and the actions that I had chosen for the pieces. But there’s something more which I don’t act on, which is the ‘behaviour’ of the sound once I have done the corresponding action. So the way I see it, setting up rigorous limits can mean a lot of unexpected possibilities and revelations that come from the sound itself. Personally, I would say that those limits are beneficial to the creative process, at least mine, as long as they are of course appropriate to the music that I want to do. I can’t even say that I experience them as limits, but as choices. And to me, making choices is the only way to exercise freedom, even if it might seem paradoxical.

Why the title ‘Do Nothing’?

This connects to the preceding answer. The main reason I wanted to call the album ‘Do Nothing’, which is also the title of the first piece, is simply because ‘do nothing’ is a kind of personal motto that I arrived at during last year, the year I recorded this music. This idea of ‘Do Nothing’ was very present to me when I was composing the pieces. It’s not that I explicitly wanted to do something based upon the idea, but I knew from the beginning that I would call this work something like this. I didn’t deliberately compose the pieces to respond to this idea, nor did I conceptualise the idea to convert it into some kind of composition parameter. It was just there, and I find - though I don’t know if it is perceptible or not - that it has a resonance in the music on this album. Also I discovered later, when the composition was in a more advanced state, that ‘do nothing’ could refer to the moments where, between two actions, I stay quiet and let the sound live. It’s about what happens in between, and in this case the way I found to make that life come out was by doing nothing. So in the end I could see clearly that this idea of ‘do nothing’ and the music that I made were coherent together, they both came from the same place.

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“The center cannot hold,” warned W. B. Yeats nearly a century ago, and Clara de Asis seems to ask, “Why should it?” In her transparent, often languid and occasionally harrowing music, each sound is the center, sometimes sustaining and sometimes not, from which levels and degrees of development are perceptible. From any conventionally analytical perspective, nothing is happening in this music, and that’s the point. Though there is bone and muscle a-plenty in these stark sounds, she is no post-Yeatsian end-of-existence prophet.  Her music avoids the struggles of human agency while somehow embracing the elements that shape them.

The closest comparison, at least for the sections of this album containing tonal centers of any sort, is to Alvin Lucier’s post-Cageian universe of tones in pulsing conflict and resolution.  Upping the ante, Asis applies a Webernian concision to the sound, a kind of pointillistic repetition achieved by a simple guitar harmonic or the gentle strike of what sounds like a Tibetan singing bowl.  Instead of Lucier’s long-form drama, the sonic events are brief, clear and punchy.  Each tone is rife with overtone, sharply attacked or bowed into a state of resonant metallic frenzy.  Two objects touch, briefly but poignantly, allowing internal resonance and external vibration to play a role in the growing network of tone and color emanating from a single center.  Rarely does an easily identified layer of Lucierian pulse emerge; usually, beats are myriad and complex, rushing past each other to inhabit the same sonic space only to disappear.  

The piece titles reflect and dismiss these conflicts. Each supposedly juxtaposes action and inaction, two-word meditations on permanence, cognition or existence. What seem at first to be directives —“Do Nothing” and “Know Nothing” — might also embody states of being beyond agency. This is not music derived from Samuel Beckett’s action-driven notions of nothing struggling to become something or what is alive never quite being able to die. For Asis, no such conflict exists; listen to the second part of “Nothing Lasts” for her vision in distillation. Naming the sound is subordinated by its process of becoming, by the components of which that becoming is formed, but the becoming is itself a disappearance. The center does not hold, gradually dissipating as rhythms disperse, allowing the music to fragment and fade toward a silence any Wandelweiser composer would embrace. It is to her credit that Asis channels the well-worn trope with an individual voice.

Marc Medwin, Dusted

“What is ‘nothing’, exactly? Surely it’s impossible to define — for to ascribe qualities to it, to say that it’s like this or like that, is to turn it into a thing, which is precisely what it isn’t. It’s tempting to try to define nothing negatively, by articulating all of the things it’s not; but as such a list is infinite, this too becomes an impossibility. I’m reminded of Daniel Linehan’s dance piece “Not About Everything”, in which he continuously spins on the spot while naming everything the piece isn’t about. He inevitably exhausts himself well before he is able to get to the end of this infinite list, thereby simultaneously revealing the impossibility of a ‘pure’, conceptless dance and opening the dance up to the world.

Nothing is often thought of in terms of absence or lack, as a place where no thing is present. But it might also be considered a sort of caesura within each and every thing — a ground upon which being becomes possible, the zero added to every number. From this latter perspective, to hear nothing is not deafness, but rather an attentiveness to that within every sound which is not sound, but without which there would be no sound. To say “there is no such thing as nothing” is not necessarily at odds with saying “nothing is what makes every thing possible”. Linehan’s dance really can be about nothing and everything at the same time.

Such apparent contradictions make little sense to the intellect, but fortunately they are easier to grasp with whatever faculty it is that wraps up sensory perceptions into what we call the aesthetic. May I offer up Clara de Asís’ solo album “Do Nothing” as an example? Not as a demonstration of a principle, exactly, but as an intriguing case study. The artist rejects the thought that the music may be reduced to the elucidation of an idea, however complex or subtle; rather, during the compositional process she was interested in “what happens in between” two actions, and that “the way to make that life come out was by doing nothing”.

For the first piece, from which the album derives its name, “doing nothing” initially means isolated, repeated guitar notes, crystalline and pointillist in character. The space around the notes is too brief to draw attention to itself, instead highlighting the notes’ shape, or what audio engineers call their envelope — the way they begin from nothing, achieve fullness, decay and fade, and set other objects and the air around them resonating as they do so. The notes are joined by tings from a metal bell or bowl; when both guitar string and bell are struck simultaneously, the sound is transformed in a way that suggests some sort of physical interaction between the two. What I really, really like about this piece is the way in which it develops a depth of complexity without losing its surface simplicity: however quickly the numbers come, I can still hear the zero added to each.

The handful of small chinks that close the piece are immensely instructive: their more extreme isolation and the brevity and abruptness of their envelopes shifts attention away from them onto the silence that surrounds them. Nowhere on the album is nothing more palpable than here.

A continuous gentle clattering characterises second piece ‘Know Nothing’, little mechanical whirrings, creakings, tappings, and poppings creating a sound world strangely reminiscent of a hydrophone recording. This kind of sound recurs later on in ‘Nothing Lasts II’, albeit in a softer, hissier form, like rain on a roof. The first part of ‘Nothing Lasts’, meanwhile, is a faint and airy high-pitched glimmer, obscure in origin and in substance. Repeated guitar notes return for ‘Say Nothing’, though here the timbre is different, duller but with more ring; there is greater variation in timbre depending on how cleanly the guitar note is plucked, pronouncing the same note differently each time. I like the interplay between the guitar and the bowed metal in this piece, echoing the simple complexity of the album opener.

What I experience listening to “Do Nothing” is that nothing is not the same as silence, if we define the latter as simply the absence of sound. To be sure, there is plenty of this kind of silence to (not) be heard across the album, but the selective range of well-chosen sounds don’t come across as the ‘something’ to the silence’s ‘nothing’, at least not to me. Rather, it feels as though nothing is always there, in the sounds as much as the silence, and the album’s greatest achievement amounts to making room for it, acknowledging its presence rather than trying to banish or exclude it. If that reads as contradictory or nonsensical, then, well, that’s not a problem you should let put you off — this is nothing you simply have to hear.”

Nathan Thomas, Fluid Radio